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New game.
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New game.
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I'm really excited to do this game.
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I liked Sleeping Dogs.
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That was a good time.
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But there's just something about a David Cage game.
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It's our second one.
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Heavy Rain was a good time.
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Speaking of Heavy Rain, actually, should we do the out of context summary points?
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Yeah.
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In this episode, Merlin is back.
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He's reincarnated.
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He's been uploaded.
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We meet a new and improved Jayden.
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And what exactly does doing Red Ice feel like?
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Because it sounds a little…
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We will discuss.
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Thank you for coming back from our replay reviews.
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My name is Leah.
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And my name is Kathy.
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We are two friends who are here to replay, review, and analyze your favorite video games.
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And since Kathy has never seen the games before, it helps me view them through her fresh eye
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eyes.
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Almost like I'm discovering them again for the first time.
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We hope it will be a similar experience for you.
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Is there anything you want to say before we get into scene one?
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Well, I partially forgot it was a David Cage game going into this.
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And then we watched like two minutes into it and I'm like, oh yeah, it's definitely
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a David Cage game.
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There's something so distinct about his aesthetics and his game and the way the game
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characters look.
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I'm curious if this game was released before or after Heavy Rain.
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After.
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I think probably 2018.
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The quality does seem a lot better.
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My birthday in 2018.
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Nice.
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Totally unnecessary detail.
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Okay, yeah.
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Well, we kind of start out within two minutes.
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It's pretty much already personified.
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Like the artificial intelligence.
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Oh, I thought you said already.
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Oh, sorry.
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I thought you said already and I was like, the heck are you talking about?
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I was trying so hard.
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Yes.
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I have more to say on that.
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So I guess let's start.
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Let's start from the top.
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Okay.
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Right.
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We're in the year 2038.
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Androids have become commonplace.
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We see in this first scene one example of how they've been integrated.
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So it's August 15th and there is a man looking thing in an elevator.
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We do learn pretty quickly that this is an android and he is a negotiator slash cop.
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And we soon find out why he's been called in.
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It appears that this location, a family of three lives here.
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It's so weird because when he picks up the picture, the family portrait, these people
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are younger than us.
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It's so weird.
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I love a futuristic game, but like where the years can still correlate to where we are.
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It's very tricky to the mind.
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So as this android who we will soon learn is named Connor walks farther into the apartment,
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the mother bumps into him and says, please, please, you gotta save my little girl.
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Wait, you're sending an android.
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All right, ma'am, you need to go.
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You can't do that.
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Why aren't you sending a real person?
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I think she's just overreacting because I could totally see her in a place that she
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may have not had any positive experience with an android or we know that androids aren't
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very empathetic.
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So maybe she's worried that her daughter being a human is going to be in more danger because
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the negotiator is someone who doesn't do feelings.
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At the very least, there seems to be some trust issues going on, but we'll soon learn
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that an android, the family's helper, has taken the daughter hostage at gunpoint and
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it's our job, Connor's job, to save her.
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So they're also calling the person who's holding the girl hostage as a deviant and that's what
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Connor processes it as.
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But I'm even wondering what is classified as a deviant versus what is classified as
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normal, because they are all robots.
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Yeah, they're not all deviants.
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We'll learn pretty quickly that that's basically a deviant is just an android that has gone
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off course.
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They've deviated from their program.
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And then it's pretty cool.
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This is what you were talking about.
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We get to see Connor's functionality at work in the apartment.
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It's some pretty fun and creative gameplay, I will say.
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And as you mentioned, it's quite similar to Ari.
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It's like the new and improved Ari and Connor's kind of like the new Jayden.
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I think David Cage just loves a detective character.
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I was just thinking he recycled his storylines into like a new version of it.
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One of the biggest issues with Heavy Rain was like the camera rotation issue.
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When you turned around, then the controls got inverted.
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They somewhat fixed that in this game, which I'm very happy about.
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You can see it when Connor, instead of turning around when I switched the camera, he just
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walks in a circle, which I think is pretty cool.
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It's a lot more fluid.
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There's obviously something fishy with Cyber Life because you learn from a magazine cover
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that they look way too happy in jelly.
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And then that's pretty suspicious.
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So we don't really know what's going on.
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Yeah, what we learned walking around the apartment is that Daniel, the deviant and the little
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girl were pretty close, and that Daniel is going to be replaced.
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The family had purchased a new android.
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After learning this, we go out to the terrace where he's holding her hostage at the edge
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of the roof, which why is there not like a fence or a railing?
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Am I wrong?
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Is there- did he step over a fence or is it just- I have to look now.
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I don't know, but you have a pool on the top of your roof, so it is slippery surface.
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And there's a kid.
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I feel like this is just a lawsuit waiting to happen.
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Well, I hate heights to begin with.
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I just don't understand why we have to make it worse.
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Why do we do things like this?
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Okay, there's maybe like a two or three foot little fence thing, but that's not enough.
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It's not enough.
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You sneeze, you stub your toe, you trip, you're done, you're over the edge.
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I don't know about you, but I get so mad at the helicopter pilot.
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Oh my gosh, yes.
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He should be fired.
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How do you not expect the furniture to blow around like that when you get that close?
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He could have knocked them off the roof.
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I was thinking the exact same thing.
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I was thinking, wow, what if the furniture or the umbrella just knocked them both off
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the roof?
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What an anticlimactic ending to the scene that would have been.
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Can someone please edit that?
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I want to see that.
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So Connor is now actively negotiating with the deviant Daniel, and he takes a risk to
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provide first aid to a downed officer.
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From the act, we see a stat pop up on the screen, public opinion, which is currently
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indifferent.
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Hopefully Connor does succeed in the negotiation, but he lied to Daniel in order to do so.
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And as a result, we see another stat pop up on the screen, software instability.
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Do you think Connor feels some regret for having lied to Daniel, getting him to trust
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him knowing that he's just going to be destroyed?
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I don't think so.
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One, they're not supposed to have feelings, so he's just doing what's statistically
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the best option to get his conclusion, which is programmed by humans so he doesn't have
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to process guilt.
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So I don't think he feels bad about lying.
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Otherwise, lying would have never been an option for him.
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Connor walks away, mission accomplished.
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I have to say, this is a fantastic opening scene.
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For sure one of my all time favorites.
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Out of the games I've played, it may be my favorite opening scene.
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How did you feel about this?
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It's a pretty intense way to start the scene because it also sets the tone that you have
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an issue with robots that are starting to generate their own feelings.
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And it's a pretty applicable concern we have in today's society right now.
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What if AI started doing their own things?
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And there's also the ethics part.
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And that kind of speaks back to what Connor is doing.
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Isn't it unethical for him to be lying and gaining their trust only for him to somewhat
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betray them?
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I don't know.
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I feel like this game is going to teach us a lesson about empathy.
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It's going to have a lot of pieces that are frighteningly similar to today and the past
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few years.
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But I just had to give it credit for this opening scene.
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Are we ready for scene two?
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Let's do it.
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Scene two, where Kathy almost fell asleep.
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Oh my gosh, you caught that?
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It was so boring.
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I don't blame you.
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I'll say playing this section is very satisfying.
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Watching it is not.
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There's a lot of hand yoga for you.
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Kind of like heavy rain.
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There's a lot of unnecessary stuff.
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I don't know if it's teaching each controls or it's just finger yoga or what is going
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on but I was so tired.
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So we meet Kara, another android in another role.
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It is now November 5th, three months after we saw Connor.
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Kara's owner Todd picks her up from being repaired.
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Apparently she had been hit by a car.
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And then we pretty quickly go to credits, which is the city of Detroit seen from Kara's
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point of view on the ride home.
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And we see lots of less than favorable opinions on androids.
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I feel like it's creepy that they're making these robots and they're pretty much slaves
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and that we're just recreating slaves that we're not treating them well either.
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Yeah it's weird that we knew what we wanted to do.
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It's weird to make them people.
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Like a dog would be good, right?
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A little obedient dog that wants to help you and it doesn't feel so dehumanizing.
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Right?
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It's like if you knew you wanted someone to clean the dishes you would create a machine
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where you throw them all in and then it organizes things.
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You mean a dishwasher?
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Well no, but the thing is that you'd have to still organize it into your thing.
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This one would do all the organizing.
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You would just toss it into the sink.
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Which is funny, they do have a vacuum cleaner so you have the purpose and you created something.
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You don't need to make a human go around and do that.
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We just love playing God.
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We just do.
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But let's move on.
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After the credits we meet a third android who is going about his duties, also on November
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5th.
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His name is Marcus and on his walk we see more tension and anti-android opinions.
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We see a sign saying human music.
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So it seems that there's even android music which is taking over some of that human touch
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and then more job loss issues.
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And it's pretty darn accurate to today's issues.
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There's conversation about using AI just pretty much stealing people's artwork just to reproduce
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art or like same goes with music and audiobook narrators.
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And so it's kind of creepy that this was, what, you said 2018?
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So that's about six years ago.
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Yeah, it's still pretty recent but six years is a while back and who knows how long it
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was in production before that.
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So it's interesting.
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Also, I was really excited to see the model for Marcus.
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It's Jesse Williams' voice and it does look like him.
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Which also, was he not a blind KS option?
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I do not remember.
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Yeah, the double check.
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How did I not choose him?
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No, I think he was and I made a comment saying that he looks like Jesse Williams.
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I'm not gonna tell you but I'm gonna look real quick.
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I was like, there's, because I have to have put him on there.
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I feel like I would have.
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I think I made a comment saying he looks like Jesse Williams.
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I'm not gonna read the comments because I don't want to be spoiled.
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Yeah, we'll have to come back but stay tuned for our summary episode.
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I'm already expecting so much now.
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The fact that you're already panicking.
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I'm like, you're surely panicking.
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I'm like, breaking out of a cold sweat.
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We're 15 minutes into the game and you're panicking already.
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Alright, it's not a good look for me.
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No, okay.
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Where were we?
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I just remember, in the beginning, I think it's during when Kara is driving through
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the city, we also see a statue in the middle of the downtown area where it's just a arm
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with the hands and a closed fist.
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I'm wondering if that is symbolizing oppression or what?
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Yeah, I saw it too.
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I didn't pay it much mind but I was like, oh, is that something grasping technology?
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Is this an android thing?
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So I don't know.
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It wasn't on the screen very long.
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I don't know if it comes back.
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It might be as significant as the random kid's faces during the game.
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The amount of time I spent comparing those faces to the murdered children is ridiculous.
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Anyway, moving on.
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Marcus runs into a protest led by this man and he's very intense when he sees Marcus
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and he confronts him saying, I know who you are.
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I can see through you.
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You are the one by whom the evil will come.
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You are the one who will destroy Detroit.
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Very interesting to me that the evil is capitalized.
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Why'd they proper noun it?
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What does that mean?
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I don't know.
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I don't either.
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What did you make of this little exchange though?
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It's kind of odd.
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It felt pretty culty, I guess.
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You know how you get a feeling when you watch Outlast and it's not necessarily a cult,
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but it has that kind of feel to it?
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Yeah, he's like a doomsayer.
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Is that a thing?
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Yeah, he's like a doomsayer, a person that predicts disaster.
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That's kind of what he feels like.
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I don't know if he's representing a larger group or not, but it's very interesting.
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He sort of paints Marcus as the fulfillment to some prophecy.
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It's a very odd exchange.
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At the end of the game, I kind of want to go back to it and see if we can figure anything
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out about this guy.
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Marcus gets to the paint store and picks up the paint.
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On his way to the bus, he's berated and eventually assaulted in the plaza by this guy that looks
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kind of like a knockoff Jared Leto.
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A little too much.
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The more I'm watching this, the more I'm able to tie these people back to celebrities.
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And I'm like, yeah.
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Anyway, a cop breaks up the scuffle and not Leto says, they're going to take your job
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next to the cop, which is what a great reference to Connor, the detective android that we just
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saw.
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So we're back to Kara and this is the part specifically that almost did you end.
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She carries out her duties, laundry dishes, trash and general cleanup.
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And it's really satisfying to play this part because I love efficiency and I'm like, what's
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the most efficient route, efficient way to do all this stuff.
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So I think it's fun to play, but just from watching it, it's pretty boring.
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So I don't blame you.
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So boring.
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I'm slightly embarrassed that you caught me falling asleep, but you can't blame me though.
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Oh my gosh.
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So Todd immediately comes across as an a**.
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Oh my gosh.
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Yes.
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He is such a jerk.
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Maybe like he could try getting off the couch and doing some housework and then he wouldn't
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be so angry and be productive and a good person in society.
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Well you took that so deep.
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Well he's such a jerk to his own daughter too.
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The fact that she's like cowering.
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I just like, someone needs to call CPS.
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He is an angry, angry man.
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We maybe learn a little bit of why.
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While Kara's doing laundry, she finds a packet of red crystal eyes things, red crystals in
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the detergent bucket.
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She analyzes it to find that it's something called red ice.
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And then Todd shows up behind her, gets pissed and then gets rough with her for finding it
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and says to stay out of his business.
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And then there's also a phone conversation we overhear that kind of makes him sound like
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a drug dealer.
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First of all, if you didn't want her to find it, don't put it in the freaking detergent
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where she's going to be going in and out of to use.
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Also when she's collecting trash, there's absolutely no way those pizza boxes are fitting
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in that trash can.
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And that kind of just irritates me.
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Why didn't they just make the trash can bigger?
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Please.
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What irritated me was the glass bottles and everything where she could have been recycling
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them.
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They don't recycle in Detroit, Kathy.
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They probably have androids that sort through it at the trash facilities now.
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While taking the trash out, Kara notices a bunch of overdue bills and rejected credit
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card applications.
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So Todd is not doing hot, but he is doing red ice.
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He's going wild on it.
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It's disgusting.
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What do you do?
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The noises he makes.
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We're keeping that in.
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What is going on?
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What is going on?
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What does red ice do to you?
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I don't know, but the after effects is that it makes you aggressive and want to be your
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own child.
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So at the very least continuing on her duties, she's upstairs now.
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She tidies up Todd's bedroom, finds a gun.
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We also learn a few things on the news about unemployment, a new cyber life plan.
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Then Todd comes out of the upstairs bathroom and she goes in there to clean it up right
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after he just blew up the toilet.
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It's gross.
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I don't know if you notice the look on her face when she comes out of the bathroom.
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She may not have feelings, but she knows disgusting when she sees it.
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I wonder if they can smell.
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Yikes.
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Kara eventually gets into Alice's room to clean up in there a little bit and Alice warms
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up to Kara and gives her a key to a jewelry box.
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In it, Kara finds some drawings, one which appears to depict what looks like Todd attacking
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and damaging Kara.
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So she wasn't hit by a car, right?
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Obviously not.
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We know this guy has rage issues.
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Yep, speaking of, Kara goes back downstairs to see Todd being rough with Alice.
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Okay, moving on, we are back to Marcus.
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It's still the same day.
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He returns home and we learn that he is the caretaker for an old man named Carl.
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And this is when we see in the foray, the room, the big entryway room, there's birds
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in a cage.
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It's Merlin's.
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It's little android Merlin's.
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And guess what, Cappy?
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And Merlin has a friend!
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That?
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But I was going to say, they're actually yellow this time.
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Yeah, I know.
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That's you.
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They're yellow!
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If you don't know what we're talking about, go watch or listen to Heavy Rain from last
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season.
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We're stupid is basically what it comes down to.
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We're struggling.
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Carl seems so cool.
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Also his house is cool.
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It's like a one bedroom mansion.
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He has a freaking giraffe in there.
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What are your impressions of Carl?
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I really like Carl.
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Carl is a demonstration of good humans that exist in their world because up until now,
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we've only met humans who yell at androids, who treat them terribly, who are bad fathers,
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who are pushing and shoving.
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It's a really nice change to meet someone nice.
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Marcus brings him downstairs to serve him breakfast and I know you had to notice the
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origami killer's calling card as home decor on his shelves.
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Know what?
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You didn't notice?
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Kathy!
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I'm like too busy looking at other things apparently.
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Oh my goodness.
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Let me...
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4823.
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There'll be multiple times where you can see it.
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I walk right up to them too.
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I can't believe you didn't see them.
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There's origami all over his bookshelf!
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How did I not notice that before?
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I don't know.
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I was wondering what you were doing over there too.
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I remember it was like, oh, why are you walking to the bookshelf not recognizing anything?
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There's also more of them behind the giraffe that you noticed.
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Oh my gosh.
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It makes me even more convinced that the birds are an Easter egg and that we were really
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onto something with Merlin.
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I really think we were onto something.
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Also a much more pleasant piano scene in this game compared to Heavy Rain and just another
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reference overall.
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It won't be the last.
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Anything before Carl comes over to talk to him?
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My thought is that you would think that if they can create freaking androids that are
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pretty much like humans, they could find a way to extend the life of humans.
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Yeah, that is a good point because he doesn't seem overly old.
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One thing that he says to Marcus is,
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One day I won't be here to take care of you anymore.
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You'll have to protect yourself and make your choices.
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Decide who you are and want to become.
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Interesting.
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It also brings up the question, what happens to androids when their owners are no longer
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there or don't want them?
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Do they get returned back to cyber life to be recycled and reused again?
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Or is it part of the inheritance?
00:24:13
Carl continues to try to push Marcus towards humanity in a way while painting.
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He convinces him to paint something that isn't just a perfect copy of what he's seeing.
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Being able to paint probably correlates to one's feelings.
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So to have an android be able to paint what they're feeling is like the first step of
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recognizing that they do have emotions.
00:24:42
They are soon interrupted though by Carl's deadbeat son, Leo.
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He arrives asking for money and is clearly burning through it way too fast.
00:24:52
Probably doing red eyes, that's kind of what is referenced.
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Do you agree?
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Yeah, he's pretty much a loser.
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He's a pre-Todd.
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He's gonna be Todd someday.
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And he has clear daddy issues.
00:25:08
Because of this apparent addiction, Carl refuses to give him money and Leo gets very angry
00:25:13
and even pushes Marcus and says, you never loved me, took Carl.
00:25:17
Well, if Leo really stepped up his game and proved himself to be a better person, maybe
00:25:22
his dad would love him some more.
00:25:24
It's so terrible of me to say that.
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But Leo clearly has issues with feeling like he's competing with Marcus as being who's
00:25:35
the better son and he's obviously losing this battle.
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Are you ready to go back to Connor?
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It is still the same day.
00:25:46
Connor is tracking down his new partner, Lieutenant Hank Anderson.
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He finds him at Jimmy's bar.
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Anderson seems cranky and it maybe amuses Connor.
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What do you think of Connor so far?
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I think he's just straightforward and he just does what he needs to do to get his results.
00:26:09
I don't know, he seems like an extremely smart newborn baby.
00:26:19
He's smart but he doesn't really know what he's doing when it comes to interactions.
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I don't know.
00:26:27
He's got an innocence about him.
00:26:29
Yeah.
00:26:30
He has a very high IQ but very naive and not necessarily low EQ but just not really great
00:26:40
about reading body language and reading the room.
00:26:45
But he's eventually able to convince Hank, Lieutenant Anderson, to go to the crime scene.
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When we get there, we learn that the landlord had stopped by after the tenant hadn't paid
00:26:56
rent in a few months and he found the body of Lieutenant Carlos Ortiz.
00:27:06
As Connor, investigating the scene, we learn Red Eyes is present.
00:27:11
We find a bloody knife which Connor licks to analyze the blood and Hank does not like
00:27:16
this at all.
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Which, this isn't the first time he's done that.
00:27:20
No.
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We find blood trails, signs of a struggle in the kitchen, the words, I am alive written
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in blood using CyberlifeSans font, and then through reconstructions, Connor learns exactly
00:27:32
what happened, including that the android was attacked, likely causing emotional shock.
00:27:38
Connor also finds RE9 written over and over again in the shower as well as a little statue
00:27:42
thing.
00:27:44
After reconstructing the entire crime scene, Connor knows the deviant must be nearby and
00:27:49
he does eventually locate him in the attic.
00:27:52
So RE9 sounds like Ari, which to me made my mic connect to Heavy Rain.
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Ari is the parent program.
00:28:05
It morphed into RE9.
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That's crazy.
00:28:07
There's a connection to Heavy Rain here, Kathy.
00:28:10
There has to be.
00:28:11
We're onto it.
00:28:12
Yeah, we're onto it.
00:28:15
More than just Easter eggs.
00:28:18
So this deviant begs Connor out to turn him in, but after only a microscopic moment of
00:28:23
hesitation, Connor calls out for Hank and the deviant has been captured.
00:28:29
I think Connor hesitating whether or not to call Hank just indicates his maybe potential
00:28:36
to somehow start thinking for himself and not thinking because of the way he's programmed.
00:28:43
And the first time we see him, no hesitation, but this time we see this slight little oh
00:28:49
and he maybe is starting to develop some empathy on why Carlos got stabbed 28 times and he's
00:28:58
understanding where the deviant is coming from.
00:29:01
There's a meme that you don't even know that you're referencing.
00:29:03
It sounded like you were referencing it, but you weren't.
00:29:08
Real quickly, I should have mentioned this at the beginning, but at this point we don't
00:29:12
have a choice as Connor, right?
00:29:14
He chooses for us to turn him into Hank, but this is a decision-based game.
00:29:19
So the issue with replaying decision-based games is how to do it, right?
00:29:25
And so for this game, I decided to make the choices that I felt made for the more cinematic
00:29:33
experience in terms of the story unfolding.
00:29:37
So just little, what's the word?
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P.S.A.
00:29:43
What's the word?
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Damn it, this is really messing me up.
00:29:45
Oh, Leah, you're going to poop your pants if you can't think of the word.
00:29:50
I am, and that's what always happens when I can't find it.
00:29:56
I need to find this word or I'm going to have diarrhea.
00:30:00
We'll go with disclosure.
00:30:02
So yeah, just a little disclosure on how I came about making decisions in this game as
00:30:08
I have played through it multiple times.
00:30:11
Anyway, should we move on to scene six?
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Okay, we are back to Kara who ends up in a dire situation.
00:30:22
Still the same day, but now 914 PM, Kara serves Todd and Alice dinner during which Todd becomes
00:30:27
erratic, and eventually boils over and begins to hit Alice.
00:30:33
Kara eventually breaks through the demand or her code, whatever she breaks through,
00:30:39
something and two options, reason with Todd or protect Alice.
00:30:45
There's no way Todd can possibly be reasoned with, right?
00:30:48
I mean, that's, there's no way.
00:30:51
So I chose to go up to protect Alice and Kara has now become a deviant.
00:31:00
I'm glad she broke through and it's starting to make sense why this game is called Become
00:31:06
Human.
00:31:07
I'm really glad Kara is going after Alice because truly she's the one who needs protection
00:31:13
and I'm glad she was able to figure out how to break the code and it seems like it's triggered
00:31:18
through strong emotion.
00:31:21
During Todd's rant, he was mad that Alice's mom took off.
00:31:27
How could the mom just leave without taking Alice with her?
00:31:30
Like when you know the husband Todd is as abusive as he is and you decide to leave your
00:31:36
child, the least you could do is call CPS.
00:31:39
I'm so pissed at that.
00:31:41
Her parents, like she deserves better parents and she deserves a more humanized version
00:31:46
of Kara because obviously there's only one person who's going to protect her in this
00:31:50
situation and it's Android.
00:31:52
A fight does break out, but Kara remembered the gun and ends up shooting and killing Todd
00:31:58
and she and Alice make a run for it.
00:32:01
Do we need to do this so long for Todd?
00:32:04
No.
00:32:05
Kill me, mother******.
00:32:07
Kill him.
00:32:08
You knew my feelings from day one.
00:32:10
Moment one.
00:32:11
Yeah, moment one.
00:32:14
At 9.42pm, Marcus and Carl return home after a cocktail party to find that the light in
00:32:20
his studio is on.
00:32:22
Marcus calls the police and then the two of them investigate to find an unhinged Leo looking
00:32:26
to steal some art.
00:32:29
Anything you want to add so far?
00:32:31
Uh, Leo's a dick.
00:32:37
That's it?
00:32:38
Well, I have more notes that I want to talk about.
00:32:41
Let me put a few more comments in first and then we'll get there.
00:32:46
So during the confrontation, Leo pushes Carl and abuses Marcus.
00:32:51
Carl orders Marcus not to defend himself, but the abuse pushes him too far and he breaks
00:32:56
through just as Kara did to become deviant.
00:33:00
So okay, Carl, why would you tell him to not defend himself?
00:33:06
Knowing that-
00:33:07
I think he still cares about his son.
00:33:09
Well, is he truly acting like your son?
00:33:13
Because apparently you haven't followed him much and he hasn't respected you either much.
00:33:18
And I'm just so irritated when Carl's just going like, Leo, leave him alone.
00:33:23
And then not doing any type of action.
00:33:25
I get that he's not in a position to be doing anything, but just yelling that.
00:33:30
Just telling a woman to calm down.
00:33:32
You're not going to get any impact.
00:33:34
So his lack of parenting for Leo is probably why Leo is such a dick and a spoiled brat.
00:33:43
I think that's the question.
00:33:45
Was he a sucky dad or did the drugs just get him?
00:33:49
Is it all the drugs or was there more to it?
00:33:52
And the thing is, it's a bit of a hypocrite because in the beginning he's talking about
00:33:57
Marcus that you should be more human, be on your own, find your own path.
00:34:02
And then the next thing you do is like, oh Marcus, just let him punch you in the face
00:34:06
and let him destroy your body.
00:34:08
I see your point.
00:34:10
I think Carl's just helpless.
00:34:13
I don't think he wants either one of them hurt.
00:34:15
I think he's just in a situation that he can't really control and he's trying to do what
00:34:20
he can.
00:34:22
But despite having free will, Marcus, me, chooses to endure the abuse for Carl's sake.
00:34:29
I think Marcus cares about Carl.
00:34:30
He doesn't want to make him mad.
00:34:33
Carl collapses and Marcus runs over to him and Carl says, remember Marcus, don't let
00:34:40
anybody tell you who you are.
00:34:42
And Marcus yells, dad, while crying.
00:34:45
Meanwhile, Leo's just standing in the background watching.
00:34:50
And Leo's like, you did this.
00:34:52
It's so awkward.
00:34:53
Oh my gosh.
00:34:54
Leo is pissing me off.
00:34:56
He's an idiot.
00:34:57
And then the police show up and Leo says, oh, it was the Android.
00:35:01
And then they shoot him.
00:35:02
Which is so irritating that the police are like, shoot first, then ask questions.
00:35:08
That kind of attitude, just siding with Leo when there's truly no need to shoot Marcus.
00:35:14
It's not like he was resisting or anything.
00:35:16
Yeah.
00:35:17
The only thing is if, like how well known is deviancy at this point?
00:35:22
Because if everyone's freaked out about androids and then they think, oh, they walk into this,
00:35:27
you could understand it doesn't make it okay.
00:35:29
But I think it might give a reason as to why they shot first.
00:35:33
Yeah.
00:35:34
Perhaps.
00:35:35
Okay.
00:35:36
Final scene.
00:35:37
It's now November 6th.
00:35:39
Connor and Gavin watch Hank face a brick wall in the interrogation with the deviant that
00:35:45
Connor captured.
00:35:47
Gavin suggests roughing it up, but Connor says androids can't feel pain.
00:35:52
And he thinks that he should just try to interrogate it.
00:35:55
So he goes in.
00:35:56
He stares at the two way mirror.
00:36:00
And I love Hank's reaction.
00:36:03
Throughout this interrogation, we learn a detail.
00:36:06
He says, I was programmed to hunt devians like you.
00:36:10
I'm concerned who's the one who did the programming?
00:36:14
If it was cyber life or the police that asked him because if cyber life is the one who programmed
00:36:20
Connor to do that, is it because cyber life knows there's a lot of flaw in their software?
00:36:25
So they need to have this type of backup plan?
00:36:29
Or is it the police who's just trying to maintain order in their city?
00:36:34
Connor was sent to the police to assist in the investigation by cyber life.
00:36:40
So well,
00:36:42
cyber life obviously knows there's some issues with their products.
00:36:46
So that's the question.
00:36:47
Why is cyber life still in mass production of their androids?
00:36:51
If there's a growing population of those that have issues.
00:36:57
And then about the shower statue, the deviant responds, it's an offering so that I'll be
00:37:03
saved an offering to r a nine.
00:37:06
He says only r a nine can save us.
00:37:09
Connor asks him more about r a nine and he responds, the day shall come when we will
00:37:14
no longer be slaves, we will be the masters.
00:37:18
Connor continues to try but is unable to find out who r a nine is.
00:37:21
What are your thoughts about r a nine at this point?
00:37:24
It's pretty creepy how these deviants and I don't even know if he was a deviant at that
00:37:30
point of time, but just in general how androids are thinking that there's a higher power up
00:37:36
there that can save them from humans.
00:37:40
And I could see why they would want to revolt against all the pain that they're being put
00:37:45
through right now.
00:37:47
This is interesting.
00:37:48
I just had an interesting thought because so far it seems like we've seen all the emotional
00:37:52
shock that has caused deviancy.
00:37:54
It's been like fear of being replaced, being attacked in Marcus's case and in this androids
00:38:01
case and then with Kara it's emotional shock of something happening to someone else that
00:38:08
she cares about.
00:38:10
But we haven't seen any emotional shock of a good thing.
00:38:14
So yeah, I'm curious what we'll pick up on that and then if a good emotion can trigger
00:38:20
enough emotional shock to result in deviancy.
00:38:25
So Connor successfully gets the confession and in my first playthrough I forgot to do
00:38:32
it the second time because I missed the meme that you just accidentally referenced a minute
00:38:39
ago so I have it pulled up to show you because we cannot go through this game without talking
00:38:44
about 28 stab wounds.
00:38:47
So you'll recognize this moment from my playthrough.
00:38:50
Oh my god.
00:38:53
28 stab wounds.
00:38:57
The way he jumps.
00:38:59
I jumped too.
00:39:00
What are you talking about?
00:39:01
I jumped too.
00:39:02
I had the volume way up in my headphones.
00:39:07
It's too good.
00:39:08
Yeah.
00:39:09
He didn't seem like the aggressive type though so I'm kind of surprised one of the options
00:39:13
is you can make him that aggressive.
00:39:16
That's what I love about this game especially with Connor.
00:39:19
You can really go different directions with him but I just love- everybody loves the 28
00:39:25
stab wounds.
00:39:28
After concluding the interrogation the others enter and Gavin pushes the deviant dangerously
00:39:33
close to self destruction which Connor had mentioned before.
00:39:37
Deviants have a tendency to self-destruct if they become overly emotional.
00:39:42
Connor has to get assertive to make them unhand the deviant leading to a frosty impression
00:39:47
with Gavin and causing some guns to be drawn.
00:39:50
We're in a real standoff situation here.
00:39:53
Well first of all Gavin is like Blake so again recycling of characters.
00:40:00
Different looks though.
00:40:01
Yeah.
00:40:02
What does he say?
00:40:03
What does Blake say when he throws the chair?
00:40:06
Fucking asshole!
00:40:07
I totally forgot about that.
00:40:08
Oh.
00:40:09
Okay.
00:40:10
Oh gosh.
00:40:18
Yeah I don't think Gavin was that aggressive as Blake is.
00:40:23
Anyways.
00:40:25
I think Connor is starting to find and get closer to the edge where too much emotion
00:40:32
pushes him over the edge because we haven't seen Connor that aggressive up until this
00:40:37
point besides the 28 stab wounds.
00:40:40
So we're watching him starting to be more empathetic with more androids.
00:40:47
He is unlike other androids where he's programmed specifically to hunt deviants.
00:40:54
So what's gonna happen?
00:40:57
Let me have you consider this though.
00:40:59
Is he showing empathy for the deviant or is he afraid of the deviant being destroyed which
00:41:05
will make his job harder?
00:41:07
He says you don't understand if it self-destructs we won't get anything out of it.
00:41:12
So is his main concern getting information out of it or empathy?
00:41:17
If he says it like that then I would think it has more to do with getting information
00:41:21
and evidence out of it but if he didn't say that line then I would think that it's truly
00:41:27
out of concern for another deviant or another android.
00:41:31
Yeah.
00:41:32
They're both valid though because at the very end of the scene the deviant walks out and
00:41:36
says the truth is inside and we see Connor with another spike of software instability.
00:41:42
So something is affecting Connor.
00:41:46
But by the way back to Gavin.
00:41:48
He doesn't throw a chair like Blake does but why does he say f*** like that?
00:41:53
It sounds like a duck sneezing or something he's like f***.
00:41:56
Let me go and look.
00:42:03
What is that?
00:42:06
It sounds like a sneeze.
00:42:08
It sounds like yeah a duck a sneeze I don't know but it's not f***.
00:42:14
I can tell you that.
00:42:18
Even with the boss an accent I don't think you would get it like that.
00:42:21
At least you don't have heavy rain accents this time.
00:42:23
Yeah that was so bad.
00:42:25
In this scene though I'm pretty annoyed and I'm actually really annoyed for watching only
00:42:30
part one of a game but this part like the inability for the humans in this game for
00:42:37
them to be so ignorant and not listen and the way their ego is just in their way of
00:42:43
their comprehension skills it is driving me crazy.
00:42:49
Well let's keep track.
00:42:50
What's this 14 years away?
00:42:52
Are we gonna do any thinking for ourselves in 14 years?
00:42:57
We'll have to figure that out because I have a feeling if you don't want to you don't have
00:43:02
to be a critical thinker at all by the year 2038.
00:43:06
There's gonna be so much stuff so I don't know if that's part of it but they're all
00:43:10
stupid.
00:43:12
I agree with you.
00:43:13
It's very irritating.
00:43:15
Any closing thoughts from you for part one?
00:43:17
What'd you think so far?
00:43:19
I'm liking it so far but I'm curious to see what's gonna happen.
00:43:23
I'm really nervous for Kara and Alice because I really do want them to be able to escape
00:43:29
without punishment.
00:43:32
This is one that I'm very excited to talk about because I think that there is a lot
00:43:36
to talk about so I'm looking forward to it.
00:43:40
I will be tracking secret stats and you're gonna have to guess again.
00:43:46
Now I'm shaking my head.
00:43:47
One of them I know I'm doing, the other one I haven't decided but the one I'm leaning
00:43:55
towards you're gonna absolutely hate me for.
00:43:58
Oh gosh.
00:43:59
The fact that I can't even pay attention to the origami is making me quite concerned about
00:44:04
what kind of sites you're gonna choose.
00:44:07
Anyway, get ready to guess.
00:44:12
Is there anything else that you want to say for the start of this new game or should we
00:44:16
close it out?
00:44:17
I think I said all I said and let's save it for next part.
00:44:20
So with that I'm gonna close it out.
00:44:22
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